List views are really awesome and meant for a way to be able to find content more easily by filtering, soring and paging

Sorry @Lotte this is my fault. I find discord a ux mess

Personally, I have no need to see the nodes in a tree though, I love collection view as I can customize it and make it useful for my editors, there's sorting, there's search, etc. I don't have a good case as to why I'd also want to see those nodes in the tree other than that from a UX perspective, it does make the behavior consistent with the rest of the tree.

I have a case that was impossible in Umbraco 13. We've had a node with a LOT of subnodes. For performance, the list view made sense. However, under each of those subnodes, they wanted to be able to create plain text pages to link to. In Umbraco 13, there was no way to see that these text pages - the sub-sub nodes - even existed because you could not see the tree. But disabling the list view was not a good thing for performance reasons. So an option to enable or disable the items in the tree would make sense to me personally

oh that's incorrect! I've done exactly that (it aint pretty but... )

Just leaving this here, for what's to come in v17. https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/20392

Nice! Looks like a good trade-off!

Ah that's very sweet